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CALIBER 1 flight log

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30
Published on Wednesday, 08 September 2004 00:00
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CALIBER 1

17.08.2002 Lost 2 screws in manual page 7, stage 952.
24.08.2002 Add a dual battery system for more safety. see Caliber Tips page
10.09.2002 Run 8 liter in it in 3 weeks, you can flight 23min with a lot of
           fuel reserve before landing ! my swashplate has already a lot of slope
       (only making normal flight : mostly flying around)   
burn approx. 18 tanks
13.10.2002 3 tanks 50 min
19.10.2002 4 tanks with the new Hatori 3D pipe, lot of power,
           Danger ! rubber was so small that the pipe was going to slipe
           out the rubber ! (caliber was oily) no damage (I was lucky)
20.10.2002 3 tanks
23.11.2002 3 tanks (3 weeks of non interrupted rain !), add a header tank.
29.11.2002 3 tanks 43 min idle-up1, still raining the whole week without interruption...
01.12.2002 1 tank
22.02.2003 2 tanks 30min - 6°C outside, sunny day
28.02.2003 5 tanks 65min - 13°C outside, sunny day
09.03.2003 1 tank
22.03.2003 3 tanks 14°C outside, sunny day
29.03.2003 3 tanks 22°C, sunny day with clouds, fly only half a tank then crash :-( mechanical problem still unknow
19.07.2003 1 tank replace pinion 96885 (was damaged)
Fr 25.07.2003 0.2 tanks 28°C some clouds and wind, heli is too responsive on cyclic, decide to stop and go back to the bench
Tue 13.08.2003 1 tanks 27°C 8h10AM to 11h00AM
            buy some parts and disassemble a fully equipped caliber, now caliber 1 has:
        - quickuk blue swashplatte
        - correct metal center hub
        - correct metal main blade grip
        - correct metal arms and flybar control
        - SAB 300 carbon fibre blade
--------------- Using reflex simulator as main tools for practicing www.reflex-sim.de --------------------
Sat 27.09.2003 1 Tanks 16h30 to 19h00 cloudy and start raining 19°C. pratice, heli is too responsive, need exponential now

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An original way to mount the sensor

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30 - Fixing
Published on Thursday, 09 September 2004 00:00
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An original way to mount the sensor by sgunn911 
correct cooling fan
global view
sensor mounted
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 "Finding out that the GV-1 Brackets were not meant to be used with a Caliber 30's clutch hub being directly in the way, I decided to get creative.

This worked out perfect, and is probably better that the normal installation method. I used a cooling fan from Correct, (item 416-141) and used the rim around the top to install the magnet. I then mounted the sensor on the TOP of the fan facing down and drilled a hole and shaped it to fit the sensor.

The sensor now sits above the fan facing down, and is receiving at a 97% (which is very good). It also is mounted to the frame instead of a long bracket, and doesn't move around. This method also makes for a much cleaner look, as there is no brackets used to mount."

All credits to sgunn911, his gallery at runryder and website CUSTOM-RC.COM
  "Installing the GV-1 sensor on the Caliber 30 can be tricky because the fan, where the magnets are mounted, is above the clutch. I've seen many modified brackets on the web to 'bend' the sensor around the clutch. However, I found that..."
more on his site http://www.cjwoods.com/Caliber_30_tips.htm
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Glue your grips on the blade !

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30 - Security
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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Mark the edge of the black plastic part with a pen
before removing		 Thunder Tiger recommend you to glue your blade with epoxy glue.
Kyosho say nothing in the manual about this subject. I agree that
the Caliber 30 has 4 screws vs only 2 for the raptor 30....but
This mods increase security for sure and cost nothing :
  • Remove the blade covering under the plastic blade grips :
    trace an outline around the grips with a pen.
  • Then remove the grips.
  • Carefully cut the plastic wrap away with a cutter.
    Be carefull not to cut into the wood !!
  • Do this to both sides and use some epoxy to glue the grips on.
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Clutch unengaging and sliping

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30 - Troubleshootings
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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Symptoms:
  • While in flight, brutal loss of power that force you to do an autorotation.
  • Engine RPM increase brutaly.
Reasons
  • clutch sliping:
  • OR It is causes by stripped one-way bearing
Cure:
  • Check the liner on the clutch, if it's worn replace it,
  • Be sure there is no fuel residue on the liner.
  • Change the one way bearing
  • Change the cluctch.
Attention:
  • Check the clutch itself, all that slipping=overheating it may need to be replaced as well.....
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Caliber 2

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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If you have a problem with this helicopter or with another heli brand, I recommend you to visit the www.raptortechnique.com site. Most of the problem has been already solve for the raptor 30. Since all heli share the same design (more or less), you can find many tips and idea for your heli.

My kyosho caliber 30 n°2, 22 March 2003

Equiped with

 
Gyro: GY401 Heading lock
RX: Graupner XM16 FM 41Mhz
Pitch/Roll/Nick-Servo: Futaba 3001 - Futaba 3001 - Futaba 3001
Tail-Servo: Futaba s9250 numeric high speed
Battery: Sanyo 1700 SCR, Sanyo 1700 SCR
Blades: wood stock blades
Other Graupner C5007 for throttle
Motor OS32 SX-H + Hatori Mufler 337
Number of Crash
Flight Log click here
Upgrades

 

 

 
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Remove Slope in MMS mode

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30 - Troubleshootings
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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Originally found by Jason (www.jason.net). Cut in an aluminium can, two shim for removing slope of the sliding tray.
Originally found by Jason (all credit to Him : www.jason.net).
Cut in an aluminium can, two shim for removing slope of the
sliding tray and insert them in the red place in pic.

CALIBER 2 flight log

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30
Published on Wednesday, 08 September 2004 00:00
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CALIBER 2

18.10.2002 bought by a friend, he never do a hover or finish break in ! he decide to leave hobby after 2 consecutive crash.
20.10.2002 1 tank finishing break in, already a lot of power, heli is very responsive (has still original paddle and not raptor one)
21.11.2002 replace with raptor 30 paddle, add raptor 30 canopy mount, add a header tank.
01.12.2002 2 tanks, crashed because of a brain problem while in front,it is really time to learn nose-in....
08.03.2003 1 tank, windy 13°C , decide not to empty the tanks, the heli was shaging, reduce gyro gain, land and go back to bench. Found Tail belt to be loose.
09.03.2003 3 tanks, windy 15°C, the last flight, the blade heat schrink become loose in flight, it made a lot of noise, but i land safely
14.03.2003 1 tank (17 min), too windy 8°C, RAS except wind and gust, its dangerous to continue
21.03.2003 found origin of tail wagging, tail servo was loose, replace all 4 screws
22.03.2003 1 tank (20.5 min), 14°C sunny day, strong vibration, searching cause
29.03.2003 3 tanks 22°C, sunny day with some clouds, change blade, no vibrations, fly with training skids only nose-in.
01.05.2003 3 tanks 26°C, some clouds, learn nose-in
12.07.2003 4 tanks 30°C. some clouds, orientation training  low altitude to recover sensation after a break of 2 months
13.07.2003 1 tank 32°C. too much wind (strong gusts)
19.07.2003 replace CSM400 because of drifts, tail servo go to full position on one side!!! replace with a GY401
20.07.2003 4 tanks 38°C!!!. start at 8:00AM finish 11:00AM, start to wind, fly 2 tanks nose-in.
Fri 25.07.2003 4 tanks 28°C some clouds and wind, heli fly great with new gyro, battery need to be cycled, last only 2 flight
Sat 26.07.2003 3 tanks 29°C cloudy, no wind, fly one tanks nose in.
               replace the second battery with a one of same capacity (1700mAh NiCad) as stated on battery clinic
Sun 03.08.2003 5 tanks 25°C (40+22+35 min) 8:00AM finish 11:00AM, only nosein and transition 180°, training stick, we expected 38°C today!!!
               2 tanks 30°C 19h30 to 21h only nosein and transition 360° and more! cool
Sun 11.08.2003 3 Tanks 29°C (26+19+22 min) 19h30PM to 21h30PM only nosein and transition, had problems to fire up engine
Mon 12.08.2003 3 tanks 30°C 7h50AM to 10h00AM only only nosein and transition
Tue 13.08.2003 3 tanks 27°C 8h10AM to 11h00AM only nosein and transition, made my first 3 clockwise turn nosein! great
            buy some parts and disassemble a fully equipped caliber, now caliber 2 has a correct swashplatte and a
            metal throtle arm.
--------------- Using reflex simulator as main tools for practicing www.reflex-sim.de --------------------
Sat 20.09.2003 3 tanks 24°C 18h00 to 19h30 only nose in hover and transition, first nose in translation, slow and fast eight
Sun 21.09.2003 2 tanks 20°C 09h10 to 10h30 only nose in hover and transition, first nose in translation, slow and fast eight
Sat 27.09.2003 2 Tanks 16h30 to 19h00 cloudy and start raining 19°C. training
Sat 19.10.2003 3 Tanks 15h30 to 17h30 sunny but cold: 12°C training
Thu 20.05.2003 2 Tanks (15, 21 min) 16h30 to 18h sunny but a lot of wind: 27°C, nose in. I dontlose experience from last year.
Sun 25.07.2004 5 tanks (22,25,22,23,20) from 10h30 to 14h no wind sunny 28C  

reviews and links in no particular order

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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www.caliber30.com Portal for the Caliber 30.

Reviews

http://users.pandora.be/subseven1/ the first person in Europe who buy a Caliber 30 months before it arrives. A lot of close pictures.
www.jason.net The first review ever done, complet with a lot of pictures and upgrades ! a MUST
http://www.littlerotors.com/articles/caliber30-010202/index.asp by Aaron Williams
http://www.heliproz.com/caliber30.html by Heliproz.
http://www.hobbytown.com/custompages/?id=4909 by Hobbytown
Model Heli World PDF 400kB

http://planetrc.free.fr/helicos/caliber30/caliber30.htm a french review
http://helico.toutlemodelisme.com/tests/caliber30/page1.htm David Dutrieux on this page has more than 350 flights without problems
RCM June 2002 No 264 by Laurent Lombard

Tips
http://www.cjwoods.com/Caliber_30.htm Clive's Wood page
http://www.upd-ate.com/bibliotheques/helicos/caliber30.htm (FR)
http://pages.infinit.net/heliweb/ some pictures in flight of the caliber, This guy should really secure his RX plugs....frightenning

Others
http://beam.to/caliber (caliber 60 the expensive father)
http://www.valiantakitas.com/hobby/caliber.html
http://heliprodigy.homestead.com/heliprodigy.html by Steve_JR from Runryder

Homepage

http://www.lovaas.org/heli/ Velkommen til Wobble RC Helikopter Klubb!

http://uscaero77.free.fr/_helico/caliber30/ Le Caliber 30 de Patrick Magnaudet - US.Champagne/s seine Aéromodélisme

Gallery
people having caliber 30 and a good gallery

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Tracking problems

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30 - Troubleshootings
Published on Sunday, 05 September 2004 00:00
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  • Thrust bearings in the rotor head installed properly (not reverse)?
  • Radial bearings in the head not damaged? -> change them
  • Bearings in the blade holders are moving -> loctite the bearing or replace blade holders, or buy 'upgrade' metal blade holders
actions
  • Grease the dampener rubbers, this has prove to cure some woof and poof on raptor 30v1
  • ...

Review

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Category: Kyosho Caliber 30
Published on Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:00
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Kyosho Caliber 30, an in-depth Review

A friend of mine buy especially the caliber 30 for shaking it, doing hard 3D, and to avoid any regret in case of crash (he currently own 2 futura se, long ranger, airwolf, raptor 30, shuttle etc). 2 weeks after that I buy mine on ebay germany (new motor never run, kit not built). This review is based on his comments and mine (as today 23.06.2002 I only break in the motor (35°C) but I noticed a lot of bads things which are not written in french magazines). Overall it is a great machine.

Specifications
Length: 1095mm
Height: 408mm
Width: 190mm
Weight: 2900g
Gear ratio: 9.615 to 1 to 5.0
Main rotor: 1230mm
Tail rotor: 240mm
Engine: 30 size
Tank capacity: 340cc

 

Bads  
 
  • The swashplate is taking a lot of slope, after only 10 flights (I must admit with hard 3D), -> I replace it with the "Correct" metal upgrade
  • If you want power for hard 3D, you NEED to invest in 15% nitromethan, but that is common by 30''size.
  • The paddles are moving and sliping (they are in 2 parts, sometimes they slipe 2 or 3mm after a flight!!!!!!) -> I replace them with raptor 30 paddles
  • The landing skids is too small (could be larger for a newbie) and made in a hard plastic, that can easily break in case of a loose crash, -> I replace it with Raptor 30 landing skids after my first crash.
  • Tailboom supports are too small and their angle is below 30°, should not be larger in order to improve the tighteness of boom ? You can replace them with raptor 30 or use longer one.
  • Canopy is...... you know...ugly...moreover you have no access to the motor (who made the design of this !!!), 4 easily to loose screw are use to maintain it in position -> I replace mine with the raptor canopy (one of the cheapest canopy 9$) or you can cut the original one. It has no screen windows......
  • All plastic are very very cheap, washout arms can be bend with the finger, the same for the arm on the carburator, screws can only be tightened twice, no more then it becomes loose inside the plasti frame....
  • The height of the tail belt is ridiculous (4mm height), 43% smaller than the raptor 30 (7mm height), I hope that Kyosho test them enough,
  • Blades grips are so thin and flat, that they make me scared... a friend say that they should support the load...
  • The main mast is going through the whole mechanics (very long 260 mm ! and rotor is above canopy 150 mm above frame !), should not be so easy to replace it and what is it's price ?
  • Ridiculous swashplate in 3 parts ! with 3 philips screws below and 4 in upper side! R I D I C U L O U S ! this is the weak of this helicopter.
    Ridiculous swashplate...
  • 90° control is really cheap (all servos (3) are moving in the tray guided by 4 bearings, a lot of lateral slope), I prefer 120° CCPM.
  • Philips screws everywhere in the frame....no comment
  • One of the strongest screws loctite was used....prepare you to have a lot of fun if you want to remove screws..
  • Very small plattform for the gyro, (for the CSM 540, I cut one of the arms see pictures), under the canopy, and in front of the heli is it not the place where amplitude of vibrations are the worse ???
  • Very few room space left for the gyro ! the CSM540 can not be used with the standard canopy (see this page http://pages.infinit.net/heliweb/ )! It work only with the Raptor30 canopy.
  • Only battery AAA can be used, 1100 mAh (I use 1700mAh but not mounted in line see pictures), a CCPM system is draining more, so why allowing so less space for battery ???
  • So much slope everywhere (here and here and here) that you do not need exponential settings...
  • 2 screws are missing... hole are prepared but empty : one in the tail rotor hub, the other in the metal pignon beside the main spur gear.
  • Plastic clutch bell standard....(but there is already an metal upgrade....)
  • Bad position of power switch, below the radio tray far away inside the canopy.
  • Paddles are made of 2 parts, this increase drag since the are not glue together and may cause flutter during 3D
    -> replacing them with raptor 30 paddles supress flutter.
  • Frame is very light, can easily break and won't survive so many times like the raptor 30 one.

Very nice engineering !

  • Fan quality is bad and inefficient. Need to be replaced (Correct or quickUk?), some people encountered overheating.
  • The MMS mode has to much slope, the idea is nice but the realisation is bad (4 pinion sliding in a plastic tray),
    some people (Jason www.jason.net was the first) already made 2 shim with a coca cola metal can to remove lateral slope of the sliding tray..
  • The starter coupler CA3018 is made of a very soft metal, and will need to be replace very quickly (before it get round shape and disallow to start the engine). You can use the correct aftermarket fan from correct or quickuk (if they release one).
  • The cyclic power is good but with the main shaft so long there is a lot of mas to rotate around the disk so roll/flip rate is about the same or a little better than a stock rappy 30 with similar head speed.
  • Canopy weighs also 8.4 oz (too heavy for a 30)
  • The radio tray is flexing so much that it affect the pitch, really bad.
   
Goods  
 

  

  • The machine is light, even as light as my electric helicopter, (eRaptor 2.9 kg.)

  • The design of head is directly taken from the caliber 60 (not in metal and with a lot of simplifications but it is a clever design),
  • All upgrades parts from the M50 and caliber 60 can be used, (is it a strategy from kyosho????)
  • In flights, noise is grandly reduce due to the 2 stages belt system,
  • The tail head is herited from a 60'' size,
  • Main blades from the raptor 30 can be reuse (4mm nut bolt).
  • The tank is really big for a 30''size, fuel level is visible at 10 meters (color is neon blue).
  • The radio installation is very clean, all cables can be hidden in the radio tray.
  • Sold with an OS32sxh and not a TT36 (which sometimes sucks!),
  • Muffler is quite good for a stock one (the one with the raptor sucks!), tips you can drill 4 holes (4 mm) to increase power.
  • Both an Electrical Mixing System (EMS in fact CCPM 120°) and a Mechanical Mixing System (MMS) are standard.
  • Basic configuration in 30 minutes not more : a record. In fact you need time to mount servo, fix them etc... This is mainly due to the manual which tell you all settings, only ATV is missing (normal it is dependant on servo and TX pulse),
  • Very long main mast, allow mass to be far below rotor, increase stability.
  • Tail servo is mounted directly on tail boom as standard, easy maintenance and removal without losing trim settings.
  • I never see a control system which slide so easily right out of the box. (even on high end machine).
  • Less parts, less problem, the frame and overall design is clear and nice.
  • Final assembly is simple and straightforward, linkages are easy to adjust.
  • Large cooling fan allows for use of both low nitro and low oil fuels (as used in Europe).
  • 10mm main shaft and 6mm spindle shaft (not new ! same on Raptor 30).
  • Motor mount in metal stiffen the frame and act like a radiator.
  • Revolutionnary linkage, at the correct size right out of the box.
  • Very nice manual, but I would like to see it only english and not with some cyptic japanese (sorry but that is really disturbing when you can not read it)
  • Tail rotor has great authority - fast pirouette rate, stops on dime.
  • 47 pinions in the mechanic as standard.
   

 

 

 

The .32 SX-H engine

The .32 SX-H engine comes equipped with a heavy-duty crankcase, heat sink head, conrod and crankpin, plus a dual-needle Type 20C carb, larger front bearing and a rear bearing with nylon retainer.

Specifications:
Displacement: 5.22cc
Bore: 19.56mm
Stroke: 17.53mm
Practical rpm: 2,000-22,000
Output: 1.2 bhp @ 18,000 rpm
Weight: 289g

 

Conclusion

  • YES the caliber 30 offer a level of functionnality and capacity not ever seen in a 30''size for that price, but what is the reliability ?, how long performances stay at this level right out of the box ? So much parts are cheap.... I am not dummy, I understand that is was to reduce the price, but is it not to sell more upgrades parts ??? only times and a full season of flight can tell us the truth...
  • It perform well on 3D, but we have some flutter now and we are trying to fix this. Our attack plan (we already reduce head speed and notice no improvements): changing paddles, changing swashplate, tighten the control system.
  • As a conclusion, wait some months before buying a caliber 30 (especially if you already have a 30''size otherwise you can go and buy a caliber), price will go down and a lot of people will have more experience.
  • I fly the caliber since 3 months now and really love it, no or less maintenance, long flight time and reduce noise.... I bought a second one !
  • I bought yesterday my second caliber 30 and I love it ! I will never bought a raptor 30 anymore, on 3 raptor : 2 glow develop the woof and poof, only the eRaptor was flying without problems. If you still want to buy a Raptor go for the v2 not the old one.
  • Be careful, a lot of parts need to be replace in order to maintain the performance at it's level. see the review
  • Replacement parts are sometimes 2 times more expensive than raptor 30. I hope it is because this machine is new...
  • Kit price with engine in France : 463€/405$ without engine 320€
  • What 30''size to buy for a beginner ? caliber 30 (very new 2002)<- raptor 30 v2 (since 4 years out 1998)<- nexus 30 (production discontinued, so kit, parts are really cheap, good for starting)
  • Click here to jump to the caliber 30 gallery section
  • Realflight addon4 has a caliber 30 available:
  • Reflex 4.0 has also the most realistic caliber 30 free of charge.

Lets have a look at metal upgrade parts prices from the company Correct,

Arms, flybar control 30$/34,3€
Arms, mixing 25$/28,6€
Brake, main rotor 6$/6.9€
Swashplate 60$/68€
Clutch bell w/pinion 25$/28,6€
Fan 25$/28,6€
Grips, tail rotor blades 25$/28,6€

Click here to jump to the upgrade section

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